Wrestling With War: Part Five.

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Part One of Wrestling With War
Part Two of Wrestling With War
Part Three of Wrestling With War
Part Four of Wrestling With War

Too much of our thoughts on war begin and end with our particular political affiliation. These are probably gross generalities, but if you’re of a more “conservative” bent, you don’t think twice about war. Even if you consider yourself “Christian”, you consider war a proper response to most conflicts. If not war, you definitely don’t mind a little aggression or “bullying” to achieve your parties desired end. If you’re of more “liberal” bent, perhaps you struggle with war because of the sociological implications. But there’s a good chance that you probably think Bush is a redneck and since he likes hunting with guns, he naturally likes to negotiate with guns.

To be honest, I don’t really have much use for either side. I’m like my friend Tad, if you put a gun to my head, you can mark me down as a Libetarian. Or the Green party.

I think the Republican platform has value while simultaneously missing the point. I think Democratic platform has value while simultaneously missing the point. Both sides have many valuable things to offer to the conversation on war. And both sides probably end up doing more harm than good.

The hang-up for me is when we tend to think that God is a god of either the right or the left. This either/or choice leaves very little room for any options that aren’t on the far end of either spectrum. There is very little middle ground.

As it relates to war, there are very few people who think outside the traditional lines of their particular party. It has more to do with Republicans not wanting to look like Ted Kennedy, Michael Moore, and Hillary and Democrats not wanting to look like O’Reilly, Coulter, Hannity, or worse yet . . . Bush. It has more to do with these things than actually seriously thinking and sorting through the implications of war. Very rarely do you see a Republican against war or a Democrat for it. This is saddening to me because it tells me that most of us aren’t really wrestling with the issue, so much as we are doing what we’ve always done.

Believe it or not . . . God is beyond these traditional lines. Beyond our politics. And God is probably more concerned with the deaths of innocent civilians in Lebanon and Israel than he is with the polarizing war rhetoric that takes place on tv, print, radio, and web.

When our politics dictate our foreign policy on war and terrorism, we tend to slip into the mindset that places the United States at the center of God’s economy. Where God is more concerned with our freedom than the freedom of the rest of the world. God is more concerned with our peace than the peace of the rest of the world.

I’m all about national pride, but there’s a point when it can become idolatry. Nationalism to the extent that it silences the voices of other perspectives that are not American, or Western, has nothing to do with national pride and has more to do with putting our trust more in national power, politics, and policies than in God. This is idolatry.

Surprisingly to many people, God has just as much interest in Libya and Lebanon, Syria and Sudan, as he does in America.

I think Brian McLaren says it best, “If I were to go to the heart of my concern and try to express it in one sentence, here’s what I would say: Many Christians in America seem to have confused Caesar and Christ. We seem to have confused a “kingdom of this world” – our nation – with the kingdom of God. The will and interests of our nation have become associated with the will and values of God.”

Being able to put aside our will and interests is a difficult thing to do. But I think that is what we must do if we are to approach the problem of violence, conflict, and war afresh.

To be quite honest, I just don’t have much time for any politician, leader, or average joe’s thoughts on war if they haven’t been willing to step outside their particular political framework and to think deeply about war.

We have to start there. We can’t seriously engage with the implications of the words and actions of Jesus until we arrive at a point where we realize that Jesus was neither a Republican or a Democrat, an American or an Iranian. If we approach this war in Iraq, the war between Lebanon and Israel, the escalating crisis with Iran, Syria, and North Korea . . . if we approach these things from an entirely nationalistic, American perspective, then I think we are going to come to some very poor conclusions.

There is something incredibly wrong with the church and Christians when there is more “noise” for Israel defending itself than when the images of Abu Ghraib came out. There is something incredibly wrong when the church and Christians secretly and openly root for Israel and say very little when soldies rape and kill innocents in Iraq. There is something incredibly wrong with the church and Christians when we applaud the death of the perpetrators who fire rockets into Israel and say nothing of the deaths of Lebanese civilians. There is something incredibly wrong when we spend billions in Iraq fighting for injustice and not in Rwanda, Sudan, or Chad where the same injustice is happening.

Why is that we pick and choose what we support? Why do we applaud some things and sweep others under the rug? Evil is evil and must be named as such.

So what do we do from here? Try ignoring Michael Moore for a few days and listen to someone without an agenda. Try ignoring Hannity for a few days and listen to someone without an agenda.

Realize that Jesus wasn’t white. Didn’t carry credit cards. Didn’t drive a Ford or Chevy. He didn’t pledge allegiance to a flag. Never carried a gun and never raised a fist. He never cast a ballot and never hung out on a ranch with a President. He never artificially created lies for a documentary. And Jesus never attacked anyone nor defended anyone with violence. He never rode in a tank or flew a B2.

Instead he rode a donkey and turned a cheek.

And somehow that was more powerful than anything we’ll see with the $467 billion we have set aside for our 2007 defense budget.

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14 Comments On “Wrestling With War: Part Five”

jamesNo Gravatar

Thursday, 3. August 2006 um 8:55 am Uhr

dude…

i just lost my comment…anyway to set this up so that if we goof on the thing at the bottom we don’t lose the comment?

*sigh*

…just agreeing with your evil is evil comment and adding the importance of not taking sides.

…there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

tankNo Gravatar

Thursday, 3. August 2006 um 9:34 am Uhr

He rode a donkey…is that a reference to democrats? And I think that the correct King James English is that he rode on an ass.

I agree that there is something wrong with Christians not pursuing good in the case of Abu Ghraib.

I wish I had more to say as far as conversation, but the truth is I am still wrestling with many of these ideas and It is very hard for me to come to any easy answers, especially when I know that there are many valid opinions.

tankNo Gravatar

Thursday, 3. August 2006 um 9:34 am Uhr

hey everything I touch on your blog is a link to the first part of this series…you might want to close the link.

clintNo Gravatar

Thursday, 3. August 2006 um 9:38 am Uhr

You’ve got some extra HTML just under your banner for today’s post- it’s making every paragraph on your page link to part one.

It looks like you just put an extra href right below it.

JoshNo Gravatar

Thursday, 3. August 2006 um 9:55 am Uhr

dang you internet explorer people. you gotta switch to firefox. i’ll take a look. give me a second.

tankNo Gravatar

Thursday, 3. August 2006 um 9:59 am Uhr

umm, I am using safari, I still have not made the switch to firefox.

clintNo Gravatar

Thursday, 3. August 2006 um 10:10 am Uhr

It’s sad that the media we have is all that we have. Liberal, conservative, whoever- it’s all the same news.

I have many, many friends who went to Iraq. None of them talk about the atrocities of war. All of them though, talk about the hospitals they set up for communities. They talk about the schools they helped build for children. They talk about the weekly soccer matches between their unit and the “locals”.

I mean, it’s hard for me to call it just “war”. It’s way too labeled, too generalized that way. I believe the war in Iraq was truly intended as a mission of protection and justice for not only the people of the country, but all the people of the world.

On the other hand, the current war between Israel and Lebanon is just a fist fight between bullies. There are no values behind it; there’s nothing real being defended. It’s a “you hit me, I’ll hit you back harder” sort of war between bullies. It’s something that, on a national level, I really don’t understand.

Then again, I didn’t grow up being taught that I was robbed by something. I didn’t grow up being taught to hate a certain people group because of what they had done to a previous generation.

clintNo Gravatar

Thursday, 3. August 2006 um 10:14 am Uhr

Umm- and did you just curse me for being an IE user? I’m a mac user. IE has been dead to us for over three years now. The problem was with your code- not my browser. You wanna take this outside? Huh?

tank's wife...No Gravatar

Thursday, 3. August 2006 um 11:01 am Uhr

Just to harp on your comment about evils in Sudan, Uganda, and places like Chechnya, etc …

That same things has always really bothered me … the way people ignore some evil but insist we fight the rest.

I’ve talked to my uber conservative christian parent before, (I won’t say which one), about the atrocities in Sudan, especially in the Darfur region. I asked why not send troops there to aid in a campaign for justice. Their response was, “it would be wrong for America to spread itself too thin”.

Personally, I wanted to puke when they said that.

They actually think “justice” in Iraq is more important than justice somewhere else.
I sometimes feel like people I know have been brainwashed by their uprbingings into actually thinking they are better or more valuable. I know I have caught myself feeling this way.

I got really emotional reading this part of your sermon series. (hehe, yes i am rehashing the “sermon series” joke)

“Christian America” is really not “christian” at all.

Will there ever be a day I see my parents furious over prisoner torture sessions at “secret” prisons? I doubt it.

What makes it worse is they think I am wrong for being angry over such injustices. They think I am a disgrace for taking the peace side of the war issue. (b/c that is usually where I will stand)

And that makes me sick.

Btw, I love my parents dearly and think they are amazing people … (in case for some weird reason they ever see this)

JoshNo Gravatar

Thursday, 3. August 2006 um 11:03 am Uhr

clint,
good thoughts. about people hitting, and then the other side just trying to hit back harder. war sort of reduces things to that in my mind.

ReidNo Gravatar

Thursday, 3. August 2006 um 1:15 pm Uhr

Josh, what are your thoughts on past wars? World War I & II, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War I?

I think from the beginning, I’ve sort of viewed the recent conflicts (since 9/11) from a historical perspective and not a spiritual one. I believe there is a vast distinction to be made here. I’ve recently become a-political, not really caring about events beyond my own personal and spiritual life. I just got tired of the childish, us vs. them mentality. (by this I mean conservative vs. liberal) So, as my thoughts on war change, I’m not sure how to think anymore, which is probably a good thing.

I guess what I want to say is that I believe there has always been war, because there has always been sin. There will always be war because there will always be sin.

Also, why do we get so upset at war casualties and not at the violent crime that rampages the streets of every city in the world. And why do we protest the deaths of only the innocent? Who are we to say who deserves death?

Since I left the news business, I haven’t had to think of these things in a while. darn you!

Corey HauNo Gravatar

Thursday, 3. August 2006 um 3:14 pm Uhr

I took a trip across America some years back and on that trip my friend Ben and I spoke about the exact things you have been writing on in this War series. That last bit about Jesus not pledging allegiance to any flag has been something i have thought of for a few years now.

cwdanielsNo Gravatar

Tuesday, 13. March 2007 um 2:13 pm Uhr

hey josh, you’ve got a loose tag on this post somewhere.

JoshNo Gravatar

Tuesday, 13. March 2007 um 2:43 pm Uhr

thanks man!

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