Part One – An Introduction
Part Two – The Mystique
Part Three – Purpose
Part Four – Inerrancy & Inspiration
Part Five – The Problem of the Holy Spirit
“God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.”
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard that saying. What the H-E-Double Hockey Sticks does that even mean?
First of all the passage in Hebrews actually says Jesus doesn’t change (not God). But even then, what does that mean?
I think this is a good hermeneutical exercise and will explain a bit of my frustration with contemporary understandings of the Holy Spirit, thus the problem of the Holy Spirit.
So we have this guy who wrote this book “inspired by the Spirit”. So far academic scholarship has narrowed down the possible author to Paul, Luke, Clement, Barnabas, Apollos, Silas, and dare I mention a woman . . . Priscilla. For my money, I’ll take Luke or Apollos. But either way you had this person in the conclusion to their letter (the book of Hebrews) trying to encouraging his/her audience.
So he/she writes, “Live the same way as the people who went before you lived. The Jesus they followed is the same Jesus that you follow.” – Hebrews 13:7-8
So here’s a biblical author that writes something.
And if we don’t believe that the Spirit pulled a Poltergeist and entered into the author’s body . . .
And if we don’t believe that the Spirit robotically controlled the arm and pen of the author . . .
And if we don’t believe that the Spirit showed up in the fire lit room while the author wrote dictating for them the exact, precise words that should be on the parchment . . .
What other options are we left with?
Could it be the simplest answer of all?
Could it be that Paul or Luke or Clement or Barnabas or Apollos or Silas or Priscilla were simply writing an encouraging letter to their two groups of friends who were fighting with each other and divorcing themselves from community with each other over what was kosher and what wasn’t kosher? Could it be that the author . . . at the end of their letter . . . simply wanted to remind them that the God who was FOR the Jews is also the God who is FOR the Gentiles, thus encouraging both sides to reconcile with each other and imitate those who lived in harmony before them?
Could it be that simple?
Instead what do we get today? 2,000 years later, people take one sentence in the conclusion of an ancient, personal, contextual letter and bastardize it by saying that God . . . God the almighty never changes. He’s a rock. And he never changes. And his scripture never changes. And his words never change. And his attitude never changes.
Really?!? We get that from that letter? And I’m the raging liberal who wants to spit on the bible? At least I approach it honestly. I don’t rip stuff out of context to fit my foundational perspective.
Who knows? Maybe God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. But if he is, one sentence, of one letter to a group of people doesn’t seal the deal for me.
I never see the ancient Jewish Hebrews arguing over God’s “immutability” (the great doctrine that we’ve created to make sense of the above sentence in the personal letter). For them God was God and that’s all that really mattered.
I never see the ancient church arguing over God’s “immutability”. For them God was God and that’s all that really mattered.
Think of it like this.
Say I was a friend of a friend of one of the great scientists of our day. One day my scientist friend died. A reporter might come to me to ask me what I thought about his work and his experiments. I might then give a few of my thoughts. About how much I loved him. About how odd he was. About what a good friend he was. Or what a good scientist he was. In a moment of emotion (no less true) I might slip into a minute of exaggeration and say that his experiments were some of the greatest things ever done on this Earth. I may say that my friend was the best scientist ever. And I might say that he was better than all other scientists. These thoughts that I shared with the journalist may find their way to a magazine or newspaper. Of course the journalist would edit them in such a way so that they could fit my reflections into the angle that they already predetermined to write. The journalist would then use bits and pieces of my thoughts, mixed with the bits and pieces of others, and write a collected reflection of my great friend.
Fast forward to 1000 years later. Some guys in the scientific field that my friend started might try to collect some of the teachings and experiments of my friend. To collect them so that others would know how influential he was in history. And how much his odd little experiments actually were helping to make the world a better place. This collection might include some actual experiments and scientific data. It might include some stories from some of his friends. And it might include my loose collection of random thoughts that I shared with a journalist 1000 years earlier. Which had been preserved for all of this time. They would then probably come across my exaggeration of my friend . . . where I said he was the best scientist ever. This was my personal opinion. They might disagree because they knew of another scientist who was more important than my friend. There may have even been some recent developments and a scientist from 200 years earlier may in reality have come up with something different. Not better or worse. Just a newer and more recent development.
They would look at this exaggerated statement of mine that I had made 1000 years earlier in my time of great emotion. They wouldn’t argue that what I had said was “ABSOLUTE TRUTH”. Or that what I said in my personal reflections was “THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND TOMORROW”. They would simply see what I said for what it was. My honest reflections about the friend that I loved and admired.
What I said was true. It was what I knew at the time. And it’s what I believed.
My reflections about my friend were true to me and all those who knew him. But it was contextual to the very moment that the journalist asked me. It was contextual before the journalist went to the paper and transcribed or rewrote my reflections to fit the papers needs.
My reflections were contextual. And my reflections were provisional.
Something that the group of scientists 1000 years later who were looking to compile all of this stuff about my friend could never understand.
Let alone the people that came along another 1000 years after them.
They could never understand this.
Somehow in the midst of a wide variety and number of different accounts and recordings . . . my little reflections given to a journalist 2000 years ago became concrete, black and white, solid, foundational, ABSOLUTE Truth. Binding on all generations before me. And binding on all generations after me.
If they didn’t believe my contextual, provisional reflections about my close friend . . . then they would either have to recant . . . or find another faith.
Those are the only options.
But I’ve got another one.
Listening: Antics by Interpol
[tags]Scripture, Bible, Scripture + Evolution[/tags]

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Look at Malachi 3.6 – it’s God talking about himself and he says he doesn’t change. Maybe that’s all he needed to say about it. Good questions!
john. my 2 cents on the malachi writings.
again . . . i think it’s the same thing as hebrews. it’s a statement about god’s relational being. in that he will treat each of us in the same fair way. again, it’s a reiteration of his promise to the descendants of jacob. so it says less about his “plan” for humanity. or his “theology”. and more about his relationality to humanity.
perhaps this is even what the authors of hebrews is reiterating or building off of in their letter.
i don’t think it would be hermenutically correct to assume that God’s saying as it is transcribed by malachi is anything but him talking to the jewish culture and reminding them that he will relate to them in the same way that he related to their ancestors.
but relationship is a far different thing than what i’m proposing. i wholeheartedly believe that his relationship with humanity is on a much more steady path. but yet “the guide rails” or theology or whatever you want to call how we interpret our place in this world and the so called “rules” of God might be on a much more evolutionary trajectory.
Are you kidding me?!?!? I’ve avoided commenting for quite some time, and even now am going to leave it at this…just getting concerned… there – I said it…
I’m sort of tracking with you, I think. Are you saying that from God’s end of things, he’s going to be the same God he has been, and will continue to be (”I the Lord do not change”), but from our end of things, how we understand, relate to, live out “God” in our lives may change, evolve, and transform over time?
We would necessarily need to be the ones who change, wouldn’t we?
Am I understanding what you’re saying?
sort of. i’ll explain more later.
“But I’ve got another one”
Bah-dah-bow! The cliffhanger/teaser at the end got a little chuckle out of me. : )
I’ve had some discussions with friends/my girlfriend about this issue, and this is the position I take.
Biblically speaking, when we say God doesn’t change, we’re making a comment about His character; that He is trustworthy, good for His promises, steadfastly loves, is slow to anger, etc. He’s not a turncoat or the guy who gets Springfield to build the monorail through empty promises.
I think the problem comes when we refuse to make the relational move (or the “evolutionary move”) to recognize that God’s expectations for faithful living have changed. Like how he doesn’t care so much about the split-hooved dietary thing or touching dead people; but DOES really care about being faithful to one spouse for life (moving beyond the polygamy and dehumanizing of women in ancient times), and calls us to deeply value and give our lives for our friends and enemies (moving beyond Samson grabbing a donkey’s jaw and jacking up a thousand dirty pagan Philistines).
In other words, God meets people in the midst of worldviews/cultures/relationships and calls them a step further…then Jesus comes onto the scene and radically reshapes the message of faithfulness in ways that relativize former ways of acting.
Could we call that evolutionary? I think so, though it makes me uneasy to take the next step that many “progressives” take today to say that God is doing the same thing in regards to a variety of things that Scripturally-speaking are clearly wrong, but seem to be experientially right or hard to overcome. That’s a move I’m unwilling to make. I say this because suggesting that truth is still evolving can even relativize Jesus in favor of one’s individual perspective or the cultural perspective at the time. Those things change and are deeply subjective; Jesus was God revealed in flesh.
I willingly and deeply believe that the life of a faithful Israelite pre-Jesus looks radically different than the life of a faithful Christian post-Jesus; God changed things around because He’s God and He gets to do that. But to relativize Scripture to one’s own individual (or cultural collective) position is some serious slippery-slope walking I think.
Nathan, I agree. Wow, you put my thoughts on paper (so to speak) and I’m amazed.
God’s character doesn’t change. What is sin is sin?
But there is also grace.
I see this movement among believers today to either go to the far left or the far right.
I don’t think either get you closer to the Father.
For me the problem starts like this.
I see what’s happening in the so called Christian World and know that it doesn’t line up with what my spirit is saying.
In Isaiah 42:9 and again in 43:18 God talks about the former things passing away and a new thing coming.
I think the way we have created the church today is wrong.
It’s religious not relational.
What I see in the Bible is Jesus Christ who came to rescue us from our religiousness and show us how to have relationship with God.
The church needs to be more relevant. But it will never fit in. Jesus warns us of that. Look what happened to Him. I think that’s part of the problem today. We made Christianity part of the government and I don’t think God ever intended for that to happen. That was part of Our Plan, not His.
So, does God change. I think He changes His mind. I see many examples of that in the Bible.
But does the truth change? I don’t think it does for God. Can we make Christianity more culturally relevant, I’m not sure if that’s really the goal. Should it look more like Jesus…always, always, always. But should it be more attractive to people….highly unlikely. Simplicity, dying to self and giving up everything for someone you can’t see will never be culturally relevant.
These are just my opinions.
I see this movement among believers today to either go to the far left or the far right. I don’t think either get you closer to the Father.
Since when does any doctrine get you closer to the Father/Mother**.
(**and yea… God is both).
Dave,
Is the Father/Mother schtick really that important to derail the conversation?
Rick,
I hear you, but I’d sharpen the “sin is sin” thing. I didn’t explicitly say it before, but some things defined as “sin” pre-Christ are now irrelevant or at least less important post-Christ. Jesus addresses some directly and others, with a healthy dose of wisdom and prayer, can be discerned from the narrative arc of Scripture. Paul did that with circumcision, though my jaw still drops that he make such a massive move so quickly as he reached out to Gentiles. If I were a Jewish follower of Jesus, I would’ve been hopping mad just like those in Jerusalem.
So the “sin list,” so to speak, changed, but ultimately God is the definer of what is sin and not ourselves, so He’s free to bring people further as he did over the course of Abram to the apostles. And I think you raise a good point; God does change His mind in the Bible in relationship with His people. So while He is the ultimate arbiter of what is right and good, the decision is not made in a vacuum or without input from those He has called to be in relationship with Himself.
Now find a religious system somewhere in the world with a God that limits His actions in relationship with His creation like that, yet cannot be manipulated to certain decisions. That’s one of the beautiful distinctives of the living God revealed in the Judeo/Christian tradition!
And I’m just not on board with the whole relationship not religion dichotomy as if religion hexs our souls. Jesus was a deeply religious Jew; he didn’t teach us to be free of religion, but to be free of the twisting of religion for various unhealthy ends. I think the church is to be religious (steeped in tradition and history) and relational (always being willing to question certain traditions and history in light of new issues and challenges).
Is the Father/Mother schtick really that important to derail the conversation?
In my opinion? Yea… I do think it is really important to consider the ramifications of the “masculinity” that we as humans assign to God.
But regardless… my main point was to Rick’s comment about moving to the far right/far left and it not helping us grow closer to God. And I argue that academic theology, and more specifically doctrine, does not necessarily help us grow closer to God regardless of where one lands on the theological spectrum.
Is the Father/Mother schtick
Oh… and it really is not a “schtick.”
I’m not sure where the father/mother thing comes in for you but I’m not hung up on any of that. I see God as a He because that’s the way I’ve always read my Bible. Does he have a female side? You bet. But that really wasn’t my point.
Nathan,
I’m listening
I think you’re saying there’s a balance.
I agree.
I grew up with so much religion and such a void of relationship with God that it’s difficult for me to see much value in religiousness.
Here are my thoughts and they are just that…thoughts.
Jesus participated in religious activities because that was the way people at that time had relationship with God. But as I read It seems to me He got much more from His personal times with God.
Is religion a crutch, given to man, so he, or she, can feel closer to God…..and once you understand what He’s like, you don’t need it anymore?
I wonder whether Jesus did the religious stuff, because He had to for man, not for God.
Was His purpose in coming to get us closer to God so we could move further away from the religious stuff and closer to a personal relationship.
I understand there’s a balance here.
But perhaps, and I just throw this out there, as we move closer in our relationship, we need less of the religious.
Nathan, or anyone who wants to chime in…I’m not trying to challenge just asking for ideas.
What do you consider “Religious Activities” that we need to continue today?
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