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	<title>Comments on: An Emerging Profession: Top Down Hierarchies &amp; Flat Worlds</title>
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		<title>By: &#187; Moving Away From Top-Down Church Leadership</title>
		<link>http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2007/11/12/top-down-hierarchies-flat-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-67865</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Moving Away From Top-Down Church Leadership</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read Josh Brown&#8217;s, An Emerging Profession: Top Down Hierarchies &amp; Flat Worlds [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A De-centralized and Emerging Ecclesiology</title>
		<link>http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2007/11/12/top-down-hierarchies-flat-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-65209</link>
		<dc:creator>A De-centralized and Emerging Ecclesiology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] theological discussion are: C. Wess Daniels (Los Angeles, CA); Anthony Smith (Charlotte, NC); Josh Brown (Atlanta, Georgia); Adam Walker Cleaveland (Princeton, NJ); Carol Howard Merritt (Washington, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh asked: as pastors, what relationship do you see between the “traditional” understand of pastor and the “emerging one”. what are things you’re adjusting to? a better question might be, is how has your job description changed as you navigate the different context?

In my context--a vital but old school Church of Scotland congregation--the congregation views my job description very much the same as an assistant minister 50 years ago.  In practice, however, I&#039;m trying to broaden the conversation from the pulpit, use different forms of teaching and learning, and network, network, network.  

I&#039;m struggling, however, to find clear ways to communicate this emerging role in such a traditional context.  I plan to start the conversation with my supervisory committee, and go from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh asked: as pastors, what relationship do you see between the “traditional” understand of pastor and the “emerging one”. what are things you’re adjusting to? a better question might be, is how has your job description changed as you navigate the different context?</p>
<p>In my context&#8211;a vital but old school Church of Scotland congregation&#8211;the congregation views my job description very much the same as an assistant minister 50 years ago.  In practice, however, I&#8217;m trying to broaden the conversation from the pulpit, use different forms of teaching and learning, and network, network, network.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m struggling, however, to find clear ways to communicate this emerging role in such a traditional context.  I plan to start the conversation with my supervisory committee, and go from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Howard Merritt</title>
		<link>http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2007/11/12/top-down-hierarchies-flat-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-65070</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Howard Merritt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh asked: as pastors, what relationship do you see between the “traditional” understand of pastor and the “emerging one”. what are things you’re adjusting to? a better question might be, is how has your job description changed as you navigate the different context?

I&#039;m in a pretty traditional setting in a lot of ways. But, on staff we&#039;re both called &quot;pastors&quot; (vs. Pastor and Associate). John&#039;s in charge. He&#039;s been there for 22 years, and has the trust and relationships that come with that sort of tenure.  

Another way leadership is flat at Western: when I got there, I wasn&#039;t handed a job description. We decided to wait a year, see where my skills/gifts were in that context, and then put something together. That&#039;s how everyone on staff works--we&#039;re all motivated self starters. 

We have a young, smart, social-justice oriented congregation. They&#039;re also self ambitious and most of our mission work gets done without pastoral oversight.

As far as transition, my style is much different--my preaching and leadership definitely comes from a postmodern context. But I haven&#039;t been able to navigate much change in my churches (I was a solo pastor before). I often wonder if emerging church models work best with church plants. 

I actually wrote Tribal Church (the book) in the hope that traditional churches wouldn&#039;t give up on reaching out to a new generation. Also, I hoped that young mainline pastors might be encouraged in that context.

Gheez...if this comment goes on much longer, it&#039;s going to be a book....

One last thing, I definitely understand the top-down Baptist model. I&#039;m a Moody grad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh asked: as pastors, what relationship do you see between the “traditional” understand of pastor and the “emerging one”. what are things you’re adjusting to? a better question might be, is how has your job description changed as you navigate the different context?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in a pretty traditional setting in a lot of ways. But, on staff we&#8217;re both called &#8220;pastors&#8221; (vs. Pastor and Associate). John&#8217;s in charge. He&#8217;s been there for 22 years, and has the trust and relationships that come with that sort of tenure.  </p>
<p>Another way leadership is flat at Western: when I got there, I wasn&#8217;t handed a job description. We decided to wait a year, see where my skills/gifts were in that context, and then put something together. That&#8217;s how everyone on staff works&#8211;we&#8217;re all motivated self starters. </p>
<p>We have a young, smart, social-justice oriented congregation. They&#8217;re also self ambitious and most of our mission work gets done without pastoral oversight.</p>
<p>As far as transition, my style is much different&#8211;my preaching and leadership definitely comes from a postmodern context. But I haven&#8217;t been able to navigate much change in my churches (I was a solo pastor before). I often wonder if emerging church models work best with church plants. </p>
<p>I actually wrote Tribal Church (the book) in the hope that traditional churches wouldn&#8217;t give up on reaching out to a new generation. Also, I hoped that young mainline pastors might be encouraged in that context.</p>
<p>Gheez&#8230;if this comment goes on much longer, it&#8217;s going to be a book&#8230;.</p>
<p>One last thing, I definitely understand the top-down Baptist model. I&#8217;m a Moody grad.</p>
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		<title>By: An Emerging Profession: An Addendum &#124; iamjoshbrown.com</title>
		<link>http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2007/11/12/top-down-hierarchies-flat-worlds/comment-page-1/#comment-65033</link>
		<dc:creator>An Emerging Profession: An Addendum &#124; iamjoshbrown.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of some general comparisons between starfish and spider models, as they give better backdrop for my thoughts. The starfish column is on the left and the spider on the right. CEO &#124; catalyst boss &#124; peer command [...]</description>
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