Comments on: The Consumptive Church: The Medium Is The Message http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2007/12/12/the-consumptive-church-the-medium-is-the-message/ irregularities and other absurdities Sat, 06 Mar 2010 04:23:50 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: The Consumptive Church: The Non-List List | IAmJoshBrown http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2007/12/12/the-consumptive-church-the-medium-is-the-message/comment-page-1/#comment-69646 The Consumptive Church: The Non-List List | IAmJoshBrown Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:04:22 +0000 http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2007/12/12/the-consumptive-church-the-medium-is-the-message/#comment-69646 [...] Points, The Religious Industrial Complex, Opium & 3 Legged Chairs, The Model Speaks Volumes, The Medium Is The Message, Appeasing The White Man’s [...] [...] Points, The Religious Industrial Complex, Opium & 3 Legged Chairs, The Model Speaks Volumes, The Medium Is The Message, Appeasing The White Man’s [...]

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]]> By: Derek http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2007/12/12/the-consumptive-church-the-medium-is-the-message/comment-page-1/#comment-68000 Derek Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:15:17 +0000 http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2007/12/12/the-consumptive-church-the-medium-is-the-message/#comment-68000 <i>"What I fear is a new form of legalism that really is based more on politics rather than scripture."</i> I agree with Rich on this. What we don't need is a new legalism. Rich, you probably know me well enough to know that all along I'm arguing for the simple implementations of church - not infusing politics into it, really, just following what the NT has to say in terms of values. But we don't want to turn that into legalism. <i>"Maybe I’m just too comfortable with how I’ve been doing church to take that leap? Plus, it’s extra hard because the church I do go to has a lot going for it."</i> Anytime you get believers together, good things can happen. This isn't any less true just because they're not in house church. Just take the principle. Every time the church talks about that huge new expenditure, or that new staff position that needs to be filled, point out what ELSE that money could accomplish in terms of real needs. Ask why members of the congregation aren't allowed to discuss during the gatherings. Trust me, the more you ask those kinds of questions the more you'll understand how the mental approach to church today has a lot of friction against an implementation of the New Testament form of church. “What I fear is a new form of legalism that really is based more on politics rather than scripture.”

I agree with Rich on this. What we don’t need is a new legalism. Rich, you probably know me well enough to know that all along I’m arguing for the simple implementations of church – not infusing politics into it, really, just following what the NT has to say in terms of values. But we don’t want to turn that into legalism.

“Maybe I’m just too comfortable with how I’ve been doing church to take that leap? Plus, it’s extra hard because the church I do go to has a lot going for it.”

Anytime you get believers together, good things can happen. This isn’t any less true just because they’re not in house church.

Just take the principle. Every time the church talks about that huge new expenditure, or that new staff position that needs to be filled, point out what ELSE that money could accomplish in terms of real needs. Ask why members of the congregation aren’t allowed to discuss during the gatherings. Trust me, the more you ask those kinds of questions the more you’ll understand how the mental approach to church today has a lot of friction against an implementation of the New Testament form of church.

]]> By: chris http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2007/12/12/the-consumptive-church-the-medium-is-the-message/comment-page-1/#comment-67991 chris Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:25:06 +0000 http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2007/12/12/the-consumptive-church-the-medium-is-the-message/#comment-67991 Josh, I agree with you, I just overstated my theologian/artist point. I do think we're all called to proactively engage what we hear/see/experience, there's just a point where we have to submit to authority. For example, I don't know greek, so I have to allow someone else to do the translating for me. Your last sentence is spot on. Josh, I agree with you, I just overstated my theologian/artist point. I do think we’re all called to proactively engage what we hear/see/experience, there’s just a point where we have to submit to authority. For example, I don’t know greek, so I have to allow someone else to do the translating for me.

Your last sentence is spot on.

]]> By: Josh http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2007/12/12/the-consumptive-church-the-medium-is-the-message/comment-page-1/#comment-67979 Josh Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:20:29 +0000 http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2007/12/12/the-consumptive-church-the-medium-is-the-message/#comment-67979 zach. what i buy is a basic principle to me. chris. for this blog, it means that i would try to constantly create good content. as opposed to what i ate for dinner and my workout schedule. that i would it as a tool to inspire myself and others toward good. as opposed to be one more place that people visit but don't have time for. one more thing on their list in the hyperconnected culture we live in. and i think you're misunderstanding what i'm saying about art. i'm not saying everyone needs to be a theologian. or even an artist. i just think we need to offer something besides being passive stooges in an audience. and as it relates to art, i think we should create for the sake of creating itself. not to create a "product". when we create to make a product we end up with crappy christian art, music, and t-shirts. when we create for the sake of art itself, we don't care about money or profitability. art isn't a product. it's a reflection of the good and divine. my point was that we create too many products and not enough good and divine things. zach. what i buy is a basic principle to me.

chris. for this blog, it means that i would try to constantly create good content. as opposed to what i ate for dinner and my workout schedule. that i would it as a tool to inspire myself and others toward good. as opposed to be one more place that people visit but don’t have time for. one more thing on their list in the hyperconnected culture we live in.

and i think you’re misunderstanding what i’m saying about art. i’m not saying everyone needs to be a theologian. or even an artist.

i just think we need to offer something besides being passive stooges in an audience.

and as it relates to art, i think we should create for the sake of creating itself. not to create a “product”. when we create to make a product we end up with crappy christian art, music, and t-shirts. when we create for the sake of art itself, we don’t care about money or profitability.

art isn’t a product. it’s a reflection of the good and divine.

my point was that we create too many products and not enough good and divine things.

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