Comments on: Oh Happy Day http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2008/03/12/oh-happy-day/ irregularities and other absurdities Sat, 06 Mar 2010 04:23:50 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Casey Scharneck http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2008/03/12/oh-happy-day/comment-page-1/#comment-132114 Casey Scharneck Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:48:20 +0000 http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2008/03/12/oh-happy-day/#comment-132114 I don't see anything bad with this song. In fact, I love it. It is a great song that actually focuses on JESUS. It's about worship and praise to JESUS for what HE has done for us. Sure there are some references to "I" but that isn't a problem as the song isn't primarily focused on us. This song is a deep celebration and thanking our Lord God and Saviour for what he has done for us. Some people may think that this is a sappy love love song... but darn isn't that what worship is about? About LOVING God. Besides, worshiping God can be sappy or very manly but it doesn't make it any less or any more of a worship song to God. And what JESUS did on the cross was ALL for us. We are the ones who need JESUS and for Him to have died on the cross for us so that we may live. If you take a look at what Christ did, it was all about us. All about His love for us that He would pay the ultimate price. So honestly I don't see a problem with referencing "I" or "Me" so many times is a bad thing because it is humble and a part of thanking God and acknowledging Him for what He has done for us, something we don't deserve. And don't get me wrong, I am not saying it is all about us and focus should be on us. I'm just saying that JESUS did everything for us. JESUS didn't need to die for Himself etc. You get my point? This is a great worship song that can be used in a mighty way. Like Elizabeth said, this song brings the younger generation together to praise and worship God. God bless and may He be with you all. And we shouldn't be arguing so much about worship songs. Instead, let's be thankful that songs like these have drawn a lot of people to Christ. I don’t see anything bad with this song. In fact, I love it. It is a great song that actually focuses on JESUS.

It’s about worship and praise to JESUS for what HE has done for us. Sure there are some references to “I” but that isn’t a problem as the song isn’t primarily focused on us. This song is a deep celebration and thanking our Lord God and Saviour for what he has done for us.

Some people may think that this is a sappy love love song… but darn isn’t that what worship is about? About LOVING God. Besides, worshiping God can be sappy or very manly but it doesn’t make it any less or any more of a worship song to God.

And what JESUS did on the cross was ALL for us. We are the ones who need JESUS and for Him to have died on the cross for us so that we may live.

If you take a look at what Christ did, it was all about us. All about His love for us that He would pay the ultimate price. So honestly I don’t see a problem with referencing “I” or “Me” so many times is a bad thing because it is humble and a part of thanking God and acknowledging Him for what He has done for us, something we don’t deserve. And don’t get me wrong, I am not saying it is all about us and focus should be on us. I’m just saying that JESUS did everything for us. JESUS didn’t need to die for Himself etc. You get my point?

This is a great worship song that can be used in a mighty way. Like Elizabeth said, this song brings the younger generation together to praise and worship God.

God bless and may He be with you all. And we shouldn’t be arguing so much about worship songs. Instead, let’s be thankful that songs like these have drawn a lot of people to Christ.

]]> By: Elizabeth http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2008/03/12/oh-happy-day/comment-page-1/#comment-128199 Elizabeth Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:21:17 +0000 http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2008/03/12/oh-happy-day/#comment-128199 Actually, I think songs like this are what give praise to Jesus. It is not only about Me Me, salvation for me. As Christians, we need to know and praise Jesus for what He saved us from. I actually think the writers of these songs are the ones who know the love of the Father more, and rejoice in Him because they have a revelation of what He has done. And God tells us in His word to Rejoice and be glad and thankful for His mercies and goodness. When I hear songs like this, my love and honor for Jesus grows because I think of all that He has saved me from. I do agree that a lot of churches in this day are singing songs of self salvation, but it depends on the heart in these kinds of songs. Like when he sings "I am Yours, Jesus You are mine." Why is that wrong to sing? I believe this is the kind of love Jesus wants the church to have with Him. Why criticize songs that are actually causing young people to rejoice and fall in love with their Savior, and tell the world about Him? Actually, I think songs like this are what give praise to Jesus. It is not only about Me Me, salvation for me. As Christians, we need to know and praise Jesus for what He saved us from. I actually think the writers of these songs are the ones who know the love of the Father more, and rejoice in Him because they have a revelation of what He has done. And God tells us in His word to Rejoice and be glad and thankful for His mercies and goodness. When I hear songs like this, my love and honor for Jesus grows because I think of all that He has saved me from. I do agree that a lot of churches in this day are singing songs of self salvation, but it depends on the heart in these kinds of songs. Like when he sings “I am Yours, Jesus You are mine.” Why is that wrong to sing? I believe this is the kind of love Jesus wants the church to have with Him. Why criticize songs that are actually causing young people to rejoice and fall in love with their Savior, and tell the world about Him?

]]> By: Shanna http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2008/03/12/oh-happy-day/comment-page-1/#comment-116783 Shanna Mon, 21 Sep 2009 02:47:41 +0000 http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2008/03/12/oh-happy-day/#comment-116783 I came across this post today and was amazed at the cynical way the christian are thinking. I am not now refering to the world but to Christians. Worship is not for us as a people but for God. Worship is not about art or what people think is proper in a church or what others think of us it is acknowledgeing God for who he is. It is When all we are is rightly responding to all He is. That is true worship. Praise is different but just as important. Praise is thanking God for what he has done, is doing or has promised to do. I believe people find useing the word I , me or my in a christian song is to hard for them for several reasons. The church, mind you, has put up so many boundries around God it is crazy. God is very personal. So if God is a personal God and praise and worship is made to achieve Gods presence, then why is it so far fetched to have songs that are you personly. If you are at church for the right reasons. To worship your father then you should be worshiping like no one else is around. So your songs should be as if it is you singing to God, not to anyone else. Hence the I, my, me I came across this post today and was amazed at the cynical way the christian are thinking. I am not now refering to the world but to Christians. Worship is not for us as a people but for God. Worship is not about art or what people think is proper in a church or what others think of us it is acknowledgeing God for who he is. It is When all we are is rightly responding to all He is. That is true worship. Praise is different but just as important. Praise is thanking God for what he has done, is doing or has promised to do.
I believe people find useing the word I , me or my in a christian song is to hard for them for several reasons. The church, mind you, has put up so many boundries around God it is crazy. God is very personal. So if God is a personal God and praise and worship is made to achieve Gods presence, then why is it so far fetched to have songs that are you personly. If you are at church for the right reasons. To worship your father then you should be worshiping like no one else is around. So your songs should be as if it is you singing to God, not to anyone else. Hence the I, my, me

]]> By: Ana http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2008/03/12/oh-happy-day/comment-page-1/#comment-113817 Ana Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:30:41 +0000 http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2008/03/12/oh-happy-day/#comment-113817 This is a great worship song and I am so glad someone put all the lyrics on the website because the comments before were focusing on like 5 words. That is like taking a picture of someone's crooked tooth and saying they are ugly. And I don't think any of the lyrics are considered crooked teeth. This is a great worship song and I am so glad someone put all the lyrics on the website because the comments before were focusing on like 5 words. That is like taking a picture of someone’s crooked tooth and saying they are ugly. And I don’t think any of the lyrics are considered crooked teeth.

]]> By: Derek http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2008/03/12/oh-happy-day/comment-page-1/#comment-73235 Derek Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:59:29 +0000 http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2008/03/12/oh-happy-day/#comment-73235 I don't know that comparisons to OT temple worship are entirely appropriate, because the idea of worship being a highly refined art isn't really supported by NT methodology. If our gatherings are supposed to be "every-member functioning," as Viola would say, then the idea that church worship should necessarily reflect the best of available art doesn't match up. Singing is not worship, but it can be a part of worship, and it can help lead people deeper into worship. It definitely should not be as professionalized as it is now. But if we are to take the route that worship should reflect "good art" and refined tastes, it can only lead to further professionalization. And a heck of a lot of disagreement about what is good and what isn't. At the heart of the issue is understanding that there are many different kinds of tastes, and a taste that might be sweet to one person might be bitter to another. Setting worship music to popular styles has always been an issue. Derided by those in the church who were quite elitist and detested the idea that worship lyrics could be sung in a common, "vulgar" style. Much like how the church detested the idea of translations into common tongues for hundreds of years. (Even if the "vulgate" was the common tongue when it was produced, and the Greek was the common tongue when it was written.) The point isn't to make people happy with worship music. It's to help them connect with God in an intimate way. And you can use worship music to expand people's tastes and lead them into deeper worship, using music they would have never normally enjoyed. (I've done it.) But it can't be done in a divisive way. If I just outright discount someone's musical tastes as awful (even if they are), I'll have little chance of helping them to explore the beauty of my musical tastes. Our relationships in the church, regarding music, should not be approached with such an attitude. And if we truly understand that what is "good" or "bad" about art is entirely subjective, then we can approach each other with love and grace and share with each other what we love about the styles that we connect so deeply with. As opposed to just being an elitist snob who thinks they're always right in their artistic view. Which trust me, is way too easy for me to do, as is true with many musicians. I've grown out of the position of thinking my way is <i>objectively</i> better. So I understand where you're coming from, and the pitfalls associated with that kind of mentality. I don’t know that comparisons to OT temple worship are entirely appropriate, because the idea of worship being a highly refined art isn’t really supported by NT methodology. If our gatherings are supposed to be “every-member functioning,” as Viola would say, then the idea that church worship should necessarily reflect the best of available art doesn’t match up.

Singing is not worship, but it can be a part of worship, and it can help lead people deeper into worship. It definitely should not be as professionalized as it is now. But if we are to take the route that worship should reflect “good art” and refined tastes, it can only lead to further professionalization. And a heck of a lot of disagreement about what is good and what isn’t.

At the heart of the issue is understanding that there are many different kinds of tastes, and a taste that might be sweet to one person might be bitter to another.

Setting worship music to popular styles has always been an issue. Derided by those in the church who were quite elitist and detested the idea that worship lyrics could be sung in a common, “vulgar” style. Much like how the church detested the idea of translations into common tongues for hundreds of years. (Even if the “vulgate” was the common tongue when it was produced, and the Greek was the common tongue when it was written.)

The point isn’t to make people happy with worship music. It’s to help them connect with God in an intimate way. And you can use worship music to expand people’s tastes and lead them into deeper worship, using music they would have never normally enjoyed. (I’ve done it.) But it can’t be done in a divisive way. If I just outright discount someone’s musical tastes as awful (even if they are), I’ll have little chance of helping them to explore the beauty of my musical tastes. Our relationships in the church, regarding music, should not be approached with such an attitude. And if we truly understand that what is “good” or “bad” about art is entirely subjective, then we can approach each other with love and grace and share with each other what we love about the styles that we connect so deeply with.

As opposed to just being an elitist snob who thinks they’re always right in their artistic view. Which trust me, is way too easy for me to do, as is true with many musicians. I’ve grown out of the position of thinking my way is objectively better. So I understand where you’re coming from, and the pitfalls associated with that kind of mentality.

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